blocks|key|2154899|text|Mono团队已经发布了一种名为MonoMac的新桥。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|2154900|它本质上是他们为MonoTouch开发的iPhone框架的桌面版本。|2154901|米格尔在他的博客上宣布了新的桥梁：http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2010/Apr-19.html|offset|length|2154902|一旦MonoMac成熟，我怀疑它将成为人们使用的桥梁。|2154903|entityMap|0|LINK|mutability|MUTABLE|url|http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2010/Apr-19.html^0|0|0|H|1C|0|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|R|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|C|5|6|7|S|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|D|3|E|5|6|7|T|8|@]|9|@$F|U|G|V|1|W]]|A|$]]|$1|H|3|I|5|6|7|X|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|J|3|-4|5|6|7|Y|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|K|$L|$5|M|N|O|A|$P|Q]]]]

The Mono team have released a new bridge called MonoMac.

It's essentially the desktop version of the MonoTouch framework they produced for the iPhone.

Miguel announced the new bridge on his blog here: <a href="http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2010/Apr-19.html" rel="noreferrer">http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2010/Apr-19.html</a>

Once MonoMac matures, I suspect that it will become the bridge people use.

blocks|key|846601|text|最近，我在F#上试用了Monobjc、F#和MObjc/MCocoa，我将使用MObjc/MCocoa。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|846602|Monobjc是编写最好的文档和打包的，但与其他两个非常慢的相比，它不会从ObjC中“重新抛出异常”。|offset|length|846603|我相信NObjective和MObjc/MCocoa是重新抛出ObjC异常的唯一两个，这就是为什么我发现它们是唯一的真正的替代方案。|846604|正如前面所讨论的，这里+NObjective使用带有继承的结构，这让我觉得很可怕，并让我最终选择了MObjC/MCocoa。|846605|(你可能也有许可证发放。Monobjc和NObjective在LGPL之下，MObjc/MCocoa在MIT+.)|846606|entityMap|0|LINK|mutability|MUTABLE|url|http://code.google.com/p/nobjective/|1|http://www.nabble.com/NObjective-and-Inheritance-td21882576ef1367.html^0|0|S|2|0|0|0|9|2|1|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|V|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|C|5|6|7|W|8|@]|9|@$D|X|E|Y|1|Z]]|A|$]]|$1|F|3|G|5|6|7|10|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|H|3|I|5|6|7|11|8|@]|9|@$D|12|E|13|1|14]]|A|$]]|$1|J|3|K|5|6|7|15|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|L|3|-4|5|6|7|16|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|M|$N|$5|O|P|Q|A|$R|S]]|T|$5|O|P|Q|A|$R|U]]]]

I've been trying out Monobjc, NObjective and MObjc/MCocoa with F# lately and I will go with MObjc/MCocoa.

Monobjc is as you write best documented and packaged but compared to the other two very <a href="http://code.google.com/p/nobjective/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">slow</a> and does not "rethrow exceptions" from ObjC. 

I believe that NObjective and MObjc/MCocoa are the only two that rethrow exceptions from ObjC and that's why I find them to be the only real alternatives.

As discussed <a href="http://www.nabble.com/NObjective-and-Inheritance-td21882576ef1367.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">here</a> NObjective uses structs with inheritance which I find quite scary and made me finally choose MObjC/MCocoa. 

(You might have a licence issue as well. Monobjc and NObjective is under LGPL, MObjc/MCocoa is under MIT ...)

blocks|key|2154727|text|我认为NObjective是最好的选择，因为它有自动生成目标C包装程序的代码，可以很容易地配置为重新生成包装器，以供Mac的进一步版本使用。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|2154728|entityMap^0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|D|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|-4|5|6|7|E|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|C|$]]

I think that NObjective is the best choise coz it have automatic code generation for Objective-C wrappers that can be easily configured to regenerate wrappers for further versions of Mac OS.

blocks|key|846349|text|好吧，我会问:你为什么要这么做？可可的UI结构，包括Cocoa增量和Cocoa+bindngs与目标C密切相关。接口生成器和Objective的结合是非常有成效的.尽管您可以使用带有多个到Objective的桥接器(包括PyObjC、MacRuby和许多C#桥)的接口生成器，但是由于框架和所选择的语言之间的阻抗不匹配，您将不可避免地降低生产率。对于C#，这种不匹配是很明显的。由于您正在编写本机UI，因此失去了从C#中获得的任何跨平台优势，所以我将使用Objective。对于一个有能力的C/C%2B%2B/C#/Java/等程序员来说，通常需要2-3天才能在目标C中变得舒适和高效。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|846350|entityMap^0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|D|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|-4|5|6|7|E|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|C|$]]

OK, I'll ask: why would you want to do this? Cocoa's UI archtecture, including Cocoa-std delgates and Cocoa bindngs are closely tied to Objective-C. The combination of Interface Builder and Objective-C is remarkably productive. Although you can use Interface Builder with many bridges to Objective-C (including PyObjC, MacRuby, and many of the C# bridges), you will inevitably loose productivity due to any impedance mismatch between the framework and your language of choice. With C#, this mismatch is significant. Since you're writing a native UI, thus loosing any cross-platform advantage you would gain from C#, I would use Objective-C. For a competent C/C++/C#/Java/etc. programmer, it generally takes 2-3 days to become comfortable and productive in Objective-C.

blocks|key|846621|text|Mono邮件列表上已经对各种桥进行了相当长的讨论。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|846622|讨论从米格尔开始这里：|offset|length|846623|宣布Cocoa#将不再由Novell维护。|unordered-list-item|846624|试图统一社区中剩余的努力。|846625|如果您阅读了讨论的其余部分，似乎Mono社区倾向于Monoobjc或MObjc+/+MCocoa；因此，如果您正在进行自己的调查，这些可能是您应该关注的内容。|846626|entityMap|0|LINK|mutability|MUTABLE|url|http://lists.ximian.com/pipermail/mono-osx/2009-May/002240.html^0|0|8|2|0|0|0|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|U|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|C|5|6|7|V|8|@]|9|@$D|W|E|X|1|Y]]|A|$]]|$1|F|3|G|5|H|7|Z|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|I|3|J|5|H|7|10|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|K|3|L|5|6|7|11|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|M|3|-4|5|6|7|12|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|N|$O|$5|P|Q|R|A|$S|T]]]]

A fairly lengthy discussion of the various bridges has taken place on the Mono-OSX mailing list. 

The discussion starts <a href="http://lists.ximian.com/pipermail/mono-osx/2009-May/002240.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">here</a> with Miguel: 

<ul>
<li>Announcing that Cocoa# will no longer be maintained by Novell.</li>
<li>Attempting to unify the remaining efforts in the community.</li>
</ul>

If you read the rest of the discussion, it appears that the Mono community is leaning towards either Monoobjc or MObjc / MCocoa; so if you're doing your own investigations these are probably the ones to focus on.

blocks|key|846294|text|我不想问为什么，因为你有自己的理由。|type|unstyled|depth|inlineStyleRanges|entityRanges|data|846295|我会看一下Unity3D项目，看看你是否能了解他们是如何做到的。看起来，呃，很难。|846296|entityMap^0|0|0^^$0|@$1|2|3|4|5|6|7|F|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|B|3|C|5|6|7|G|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]|$1|D|3|-4|5|6|7|H|8|@]|9|@]|A|$]]]|E|$]]

Not going to ask why, since you have your reasons I am sure.

I would look at the Unity3D project and see if you can suss out how they did it. Looks, um, hard.

Has anyone spent any time comparing the various Objective C bridges and associated Cocoa wrappers for Mono? 

I want to port an existing C# application to run on OS X. Ideally I'd run the application on Mono, and build a native Cocoa UI for it. 

I'm wondering which bridge would be the best choice.

In case it's useful to anyone, here are some links to bridges I've found so far: 

<ul>
<li>CocoSharp - distributed with Mono on OS X - <a href="http://www.cocoa-sharp.com" rel="nofollow noreferrer">www.cocoa-sharp.com</a></li>
<li>Monobjc - better documentation than the others (in my opinion) - <a href="http://www.mono-project.com/CocoaSharp" rel="nofollow noreferrer">www.mono-project.com/CocoaSharp</a> and <a href="http://www.monobjc.net" rel="nofollow noreferrer">www.monobjc.net</a></li>
<li>NObjective - (apparently) faster than the others - <a href="http://code.google.com/p/nobjective" rel="nofollow noreferrer">code.google.com/p/nobjective</a> </li>
<li>MObjc / MCocoa - <a href="http://code.google.com/p/mobjc" rel="nofollow noreferrer">code.google.com/p/mobjc</a> and <a href="http://code.google.com/p/mcocoa" rel="nofollow noreferrer">code.google.com/p/mcocoa</a> </li>
<li>ObjC# - <a href="http://www.mono-project.com/ObjCSharp" rel="nofollow noreferrer">www.mono-project.com/ObjCSharp</a> </li>
</ul>

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